U-FITAQP: 21) THE IMPOSSIBLE TURN

Mooney M20E | N79338

Milton, New York

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Key facts

  • DateOctober 31, 2025
  • Local time10:25 AM
  • LightDay
  • WeatherVMC
  • Phase of flightInitial Climb
  • People on board2
  • Fatalities1
  • Airport5B2

Accident Location

City, State
Milton, New York
Latitude
43.043889
Longitude
-73.871389
Airport ID
5B2

Aircraft Info

N Number
N79338
Make
Mooney
Model
M20E
Category / Class
Aircraft Single Engine Land
Amateur Built
No

Pilot Info

Pilot in command
Baber, Frederick Marshall
Gender
Male
Age
58
Certification
Private Pilot
IFR rating
Yes
Medical
3rd Class Medical
Flight school
No
Instructional flight
No

Analysis

Weather
VMC
Time of day
Day
Phase of flight
Initial Climb
Pilot error
Yes
Pilot incapacitation
No
People on board
2
PIC fatality
1
Total fatalities
1
NTSB travel
Unknown

Probable Cause

THE DTSB

The DTSB determines the probable Cause of this accident to be Pilot Error, in that the accident aircraft pilot elected to take off from runway 23 in very high winds from the west, which were coming over pronounced terrain towards the aircraft departure path. The accident aircraft was being flown to Florida with a new owner (left seat) and a CFI. The CFI survived the crash and provided narrative. The flight instructor stated that after takeoff and during the initial climb, about 200 ft above ground level, the engine decreased in power from 2,500 rpm to about 1,500 rpm. A few seconds later the engine decreased to about 500 rpm and then lost all power. The flight instructor took over control of the airplane and tried to make a turn back to the airport. When he made a right turn, he realized that the airplane was too low. He then made a slight left turn to avoid a house before the airplane impacted a tree. It is likely that the aircraft was fully aerodynamically stalled at it’s first contact with the tree, and fell vertically to it’s resting location. The engine was running at low power at the time of impact point. The flight path is consistent with an LOTOT/ROTOT/Impossible Turn from around 200 feet AGL. The wreckage was located in a driveway at 12 Wyndham Way, Milton, NY. The left seat pilot was alive after impact but badly injured and could not extricate himself from the burning wreckage. The right seat passenger (CFI) was ejected from the fuselage during the impact and is now recovering in serious condition. The Probable Cause of this accident remains as Pilot Error, in that both pilots attempted an impossible turn and lost all energy in the turns.

NTSB

None yet (final report not yet published).

Recommendation

THE DTSB

The DTSB recommends that all pilots of al aircraft rehearse and condition themselves to be very conscious of LOTOT, and ROTOT, and the dangers inherently found within the Impossible Turn. The DTSB recommends that you PREVENT these very common responses to a thrust abnormal after takeoff.

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